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| Author: | Unstrung [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Bigger sticks |
I think it's time for bigger sticks. I can play just fine with my 5Bs backwards, and it sounds 200% better. I'm thinking I should look into those sticks that are just like, wooden rods... Who makes those? Wouldn't it be sick if they made those with nylon tips? The ride cymbal would be pure violence. 
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| Author: | Broseidon [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
Backwards sticks does sound WAY better. Much more aggressive. I am playing with little 7As at the moment. 
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| Author: | Unstrung [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
On second thought, one 5B held normal and the left hand backwards = ample br00tz battery. No need to buy those broomsticks. I couldn't stand to play with 7As. They are so small and light that it actually hurts my hands. |
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| Author: | chris_d [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:09 pm ] | |||||||||
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This. Though, i do keep some nylon tip 7As around for a totally different drum sound/vibe. I really don't use them much though. IMO, 5Bs are all i need. In the old days i used Pro Mark DC9s which are fuckhuge drumcorps sticks, for moar volume live. But i don't think i would even do that these days. I hit differently, and i tune a little differently, so i don't know that i would need the bigger sticks. That said. Have you tried 2Bs? I used to like those a bit as a nice inbetween. They are heavier and a little longer IIRC than the 5Bs, so you get more boom out of them with less effort. Kind of like the weight of a 5B backwards, but with the added benefit of actually having a proper tip on the drumstick for fast precise cymbal shit, which, the backwards 5Bs, and also the DC-9s were not too good for. The big end just doesn't bounce fast enough or clear enough, IMO. 
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| Author: | Snaxocaster [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
I like 2Bs. They make me sound like I don't hit like a girl so much. 
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| Author: | Broseidon [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
I don't mind the 7As but I don't have much else to reference as they are all I have had experience with for a prolonged amount of time. As for them being light and small this may be advantageous for me as I have small hands and am just a small person generally.
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| Author: | chris_d [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:36 pm ] | |||||||||
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They will also make it much less likely that you will crack those dopey dope cymbals accidentally in your noobness. 
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| Author: | Unstrung [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
I guess I should give 2Bs a whack. |
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| Author: | Broseidon [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:46 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks | ||||||||||||||||||
Truth! I am actually thinking about buying another crash or a splash or something.. I want another cymbal for sure, something new to play with that will inspire my beatness. Any recommendations..? |
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| Author: | Unstrung [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
Second crash fau shau. For rock it's pretty standard to have two, so you can have a ! or both for a !!. And of course it makes sense to have two up for consecutive crash hits. |
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| Author: | chris_d [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
Definitely a second crash. Splashes are lame.
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| Author: | Broseidon [ Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
Second crash it is.  I know just where to put it. That lonely little spot in front of my right hi-tom. It has been begging to be filled.
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| Author: | chris_d [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:08 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks | |||||||||
Was thinking about this today. I actually got out the last pair of DC9s i had(they kind of last a really long time, i bought them like ten plus years ago?) and was using them... And i think i am going to go back to them. They are considerably longer than the 5Bs i have been using, and they are fucking massive and heavy. I am a little concerned for my cymbals lifespan(and really my drumheads too) but godamn, if they don't just feel so much better to play with. Something about the weight and length really works well for me. It makes straight up blastbeats a little sketch(too much mass/leverage for really quick direction changes like that) but i don't really do too much of that stuff these days anyhow. The way the length and weight slows things down is actually nice for how i like to play though, it sort of physically forces you to take a little time and think about just how fast things should go. As a drummer who tends to REALLY rush the fastest flams and things, i find this sort of 'speed governor' to be helpful. The other impetus, has been that i have really not been happy with my tom tunings lately(like for the last two years honestly), even though i am using a type of head that i used to love the sound of. I have been fucking with them a lot, and sort of chalked it up to "well maybe they never sounded as good as you thought back then(basically: like the Crate GX130C!)" sorts of ideas. It sort of recently dawned on me that when i loved them though, i was using these monster sticks, and they really make the heads move quite a bit. I suppose that i could probably look into continuing to use the 5Bs and just going to a thinner, single-ply, sort of head, but shit i am broke, so for now, mayhap the better solution is to just go back to the baseball bat sticks. It could all backfire as a financially responsible/dictated maneuver however, if i crack one or more of my cymbals with these fucking things.  Oh well, i think i will just hope for the best. I expect to have cymbal bleed come to the forefront of my recording issues shortly, however. There is just no way to do it quietly with these fucking tree limbs.
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| Author: | Unstrung [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
Big sticks really do bring a lot more 'thud' and fat lowness out of the toms. It might be the kind of thing where you play it until you're damn used to it, and then go "oh, but I think I prefer doing it this way," ad nauseum... |
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| Author: | chris_d [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
For sure, it definitely is a bit like how i keep going back and forth between one and two kick pedals. Or between four and five piece kits. The body and brain just gets bored and needs stirring. But also, for the toms and heads i am running, the lighter sticks simply don't move them enough. The tunings always sound flat and dull, which i think is simply the heads damping themselves(because i run them wide open so nothing else is going to stop them). The tree trunks make them ring nice clear notes with good sustain. The only minus, aside from the death of cymbals and heads, is that the snare becomes less touch sensitive. BUT. i have also been thinking about that element lately and frankly, the subtle sorts of things that i do when i play the snare, really don't come across on a recording anyhow(and if they do, it often will just be that i decide that i should have hit certain hits harder than i did because they aren't coming across clearly enough through a mix), so i am not convinced that i lose anything really here, except that the snare FEELS less responsive. What is nice about it though, is that the sticks tend to equalize snare hit velocities even when i am not directly focusing on doing so, simply because their weight is moving the head a certain exponentially larger distance, regardless of how much actual muscle-based 'swing' i am leaning into the back of them. It is kind of like a mechanically based light compressor, in practice. |
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| Author: | Unstrung [ Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks |
Ah yes indeed, the big sticks are kind of like a physical 'compressor' for your snare... bonus if any other unsubtle instruments are involved! Man, I sat at the kit and played some mid-fast stuff with my 5Bs and my wrists got hurting. I guess today was not a drummie day, not without proper warm ups (I never bother with that). For me 5B really is where it's at. I've settled on them. The length of the Pro Mark ones is perfect for me, the weight is enough to make the toms 'thud' properly (that is, if the sticks are new. If I've been using them for a while the shoulder gets whittled down to a toothpick, and are thusly lacking the mass I want), and the nylon tip is nastynasty. 
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| Author: | Snaxocaster [ Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:09 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: Bigger sticks | |||||||||
See my comment earlier in the thread. I swear you get more bottom end with the heavier sticks too. I was playing yesterday with the Roland SPD-S sampling pad hooked up and I like the heavy sticks on that as well 'cause the pads are less sensitive toward the side. Gotta play traditional grip if I'm playing solely on the pad vs. full kit though; the pads are too small for matched grip! I actually like traditional for ghosty-snare stuff but I don't hit hard enough as it is for rawk/metallurgy so I'll switch it up. I still suck ass at drums- my footwork is garbage- but it is damn fun. Gotta give it up for Pro Mark 2Bs, Japanese oak. |
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