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Author:  Snaxocaster [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:09 am ]
Post subject:  Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
C#1 is my lowest definable note. Quiet, but I can hit it consistently and on pitch. D1 is easier by far. I can get the resonance of it deeper as a DM growl, but that has so many overtones it's hardly a real note. I could deathgrowl A0 but by the time it's at speaking volume the overtones are so much it's... well, death metal, indefinable pitch roar. Below that C#- and even that can be pitchy if I'm not warmed up, I can't sing it in anything resembling a normal human voice. Go figure, E1 I can hit all day long and not sound like I'm straining to hit it. Not very loud; I don't have a big voice that projects or anything, not singing notes that deep! But they're there and sound fine.

B3, almost an octave above middle C, is my highest that sounds like anything other than a shriek. It is hard to hit and A3 is where I turn into Brian Johnson. :lol: I don't have much of a falsetto, to be honest, just head voice, which is its own thing. My vocal technique is probably, in a technical sense, rather not good, big range aside. I can scream a C4, a full octave above middle C- sat down at the keyboard playing scales and did it- but it's probably not something anyone would ever want to hear. :lol:

D1- A3, usable in a song and still be all singy-like. Beyond that, I'm forcing fucked-up sounding low and high notes. The top octave of my voice is significantly louder than anything beneath it. I have the softest singing voice of the three singers in my band unless I'm really reaching for it note-wise, not even necessarily trying to be loud or project, in which case I really need to back off the goddamn mic.

Random singerthoughts. Et tu?
Author:  Unstrung [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
I sound like a big, stoned, spaceborne amphibian.
Author:  Snaxocaster [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
Unstrung wrote:
I sound like a big, stoned, spaceborne amphibian.


I've heard enough of your traxx to say this is pretty well true. :idk: :lol:

You can actually sing a bit, too, which is cool. As much as you use that for comedic effect, I suspect you could hit Notes like you Meant Them if you wanted to. I must say, you have a unique DM voice, which is really cool, as the genre is wanting for unique sounding vocalists. The whole thing, as a vocalist, is about creating some sort of vibe or atmosphere with your voice, and you manage, which is cooler than you may know! I hear you and I'm all like "that's Geoff from Dimensions Divide! I know that voice! We've all heard Generic Guy Yelling, at which point we hope the guitarist has badass riffs and the drummer badass beats, because, really, this is what we were listening for anyway because it is deathmetal.

But I digress. Giant Space Monsters are appropriate for what ye does.
Author:  Unstrung [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:55 am ]
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I suspect I could sing something, but I hate the timbre of my voice so much that I can only really do it as a joke. I guess it's a bit of a mental block, considering guys like Billy Corgan get to sing, but I can't get past it...

I am working on more space monster music. :D
Author:  Snaxocaster [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:37 am ]
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Billy Corgan, Dave Mustaine, Robert Smith and Geddy Lee sing. And no one worth mentioning particularly questions their rock legitimacy. (For every metald00d who questions Billy or Fat Bob we merely need mention MegaDave or Geddy or James Labrie :? ) Mick Jagger can't sing. Ozzy can't sing. Trent Reznor can't sing. Etc. Frankly, I think the aforementioned bunch of miscreants have much cooler voices than most of the technically "good" singers in a rock context, who generally sound bland at best. Or, in the case of European power metal, fucking annoying. Terrible dull voices.
Author:  metalfanat1c [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:23 am ]
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Chris Cornell can sing his balls off, but IMO his voice isn't stereotypically "good." Raspiness seems to be a sin these days... unless it's fake, ala Chad Kroeger.


A "good" singer by today's standards is the kid from Breaking Benjamin. I think that kid sucks, and I think Chris Cornell kicks ass.


I can sing pretty well, but I have a very dull voice. Unstrung, has an interesting voice.
Author:  torgeot [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:07 am ]
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I have a boomy low voice, and I find it odd. My falsetto is about where most guys just hit a higher range of their full voice. I keep myself to backup vox unless I can do something with it odd.
Author:  chris_d [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:11 am ]
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I actually kind of quite dislike my own voice(hence the fact that i pretty much never poast it, and when i do it is atypical stuff). In an odd twist, about 80% of the things i record have my voice on them.

In a technical sense, i am an okay singer in that my pitch is pretty accurate and solid over a reasonably wide range. I haven't spent too much time figuring it out exactly recently, but my range has become reduced in the last few years of my being quite inconsistent with when i sing or don't sing, and the fact that i don't spend much time singing loudly, as my housemate doesn't need (or is not allowed?) to hear it. Basically, what is sung, is none of her fucking business. My voice is suffering a bit as a result though, no doubt. One of a zillion reasons, that i would like her to move far away.

Anyhow, whatever meager skill or pitch accuracy i have tends to be somewhat reduced by my brain's insistence that i spend most of my time at the middle to top of my range, bouncing off the sections of notes that are not terribly pretty for me to hit.

I am also not a super loud singer. I have thought a bit about what this means for should i ever attempt to do it live. Shouting, i was always loud as shit(because i do it wrong and i am actually SHOUTING) but singing-wise, it is much more a Kevin Shields sort of thing, than a Jeff Buckley sort of thing. Bury It In The Mix.

With these statements one might wonder why i record so much vocal stuff. I guess it is sort of compulsive. The search for the unified theory of Vocals That Work The Way I Want?
Author:  knope [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:21 am ]
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I'm so tone deft with my own voice you wouldn't want me in the crowd of a live recording
Author:  chris_d [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
Hmm.

As it stands now, my range is (in guitar terms, as i don't know the correct numbering for the notes) as followes:

1. Lowest note that is guaranteed to be useful to me: G Sharp(5th(err... 4th :red: ) fret low E string). On a good day (or on a day like today when i have a cold) i can go down a bit further to the proper low E open string, but usually i won't aim for much below the G, and at that, the proper G is kind of a 50/50 chance sort of thing whether it hits solid or misses/wavers.

2. Highest normal voiced note: G (third fret high E string). Also one of the most commonly hit notes in things i write. Above that i tend to go into some sort of falsetto/head voice. I don't even know necessarily that i *need* to, but that is just what generally naturally happens.

3. In head or falsetto, my really comfortable range usually goes only about up to the B (7th fret high E string) but i commonly use all the way up to the E (12th fret high E string) or the F# two frets above it. Going that high with my current state of singing strength(i.e. weakness) usually means that i have to sort of set the line of notes up just right to get there, and usually sing some sort of held vowel when i arrive, though. :red:

And that is about it.
Author:  The Hiryuu [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
Interestingly enough, as my speaking voice lowered in pitch over the years, I seemed to gain more upper range in my full-voice singing.

I can never for the life of me remember the proper octave numbers either, for some reason. Blame GuitarPro for labeling them wrong. My lowest consistently usable note is that same G# chris mentioned (Which would be 4th fret low E in standard, not 5th. 5th would be an A) I can occasionally hit the G just below that...I'm kind of capable of going lower, but not hitting discernable notes at full volume. My highest consistently usable full-voice note is a C#, 9th fret high E, although on my best days I can get up to the F two steps above that (Still a half-step shy of that F# James LaBrie hits in Learning to Live. And I can't hold it that long either.) Going into falsetto I can semi-consistently hit an octave above the aforementioned C#. I've hit the D just above that ONCE.

And I lose about an octave of full-voice if I'm singing quietly. Never figured out why.

If only my tone was better, and I could hold notes as long as I used to be able to when I was younger. :cry:
Author:  torgeot [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
wow you're stacking up those post numbers the past few days, :shock: we usually don't see so many posts from you, although we know you lurk :lol:
Author:  chris_d [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
The Hiryuu wrote:
My lowest consistently usable note is that same G# chris mentioned (Which would be 4th fret low E in standard, not 5th. 5th would be an A)


Fuck. You know i have a cold when i can't even count four frets correctly. And the fucking things are marked with dots.

I mean granted, i don't generally consider numbers one of my strong suits, but still...

fuck. :facepalm:
Author:  chris_d [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
The Hiryuu wrote:
If only my tone was better, and I could hold notes as long as I used to be able to when I was younger. :cry:


Also: This.

Aside from having a wider range and better lung capacity, my voice just sounded better when i was younger. I completely misused it for wrong things back then, but that is besides the point. :red:
Author:  The Hiryuu [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:52 pm ]
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torgeot wrote:
wow you're stacking up those post numbers the past few days, :shock: we usually don't see so many posts from you, although we know you lurk :lol:


Part forcing-myself-to-have-something-to-say-in-general, part intentionally-getting-banned-from-the-Megadeth-boards (Totally uncharacteristic of me, I know, but I REALLY disliked the way my one post begrudging the Rockstar Mayhem festival was deleted simply because I wasn't psyched about the lineup)

Think that about sums it up.

And my range has improved with age (Well, I've lost like one note in the lower end, but gained like 3 or 4 on the higher end), even though my lung capacity diminished.
Author:  chris_d [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vocal range, volume and whatnot. Singers- your thoughts?
My voice has moastly gotten cleaner over the years.

I just prefer how it sounded back when i also was doing a lot of shouting/screaming in other band situations. My sing-y voice had more interestingness to it then, IMO.
Author:  metalfanat1c [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:22 pm ]
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I have a pretty deep voice, I think... lowest note I can hit is C# (ala top string on a guitar tuned down to there)

Highest, I don't know. Probably D ala 10th fret high E string. My voice is weird, though. Those are notes I can sing comfortably LOUD. My range decreases as I sing quieter.
Author:  Broseidon [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:49 pm ]
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I can solidly sing down to D or D# or so in my normal singing voice, but if I do like "opera" vocals where I make a very cavernous shape with my throat and mouth I can get maybe a whole step lower than that.
My talking voice is really not low at all, it can get high and grating sometimes when I get overexcited.
However, I attribute that to my ADHD and how much I over exaggerate shit when I talk, straining my voice naturally making me higher.

But in terms of my DM vocals...
I can go really, really low now.
My comfortable/good sounding range is from really goddamn low to a mid-range growl thing.
I can do high vocals, but they sound like Kelly from Atheist...
:lol:
Author:  metalfanat1c [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:28 pm ]
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As far as death growls, you can't even call mine a note. But I can do Chris Barnesesque shit with relative comfort. I can make it up to a midrange type thing but after that shit starts sounding horrible.
Author:  Broseidon [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:31 pm ]
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Why don't you ever share any of your vocals, you bastard?
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