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Awesome! Just to clarify the dent I mentioned is on the front of the amp, not the case.

Daddy needs himself a fizzy thump machine, let's get these maps sold!

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Probably gonna trade it for a 5150 with KT88s, plus a little money. :rawk:

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KT88s, huh? Inneresting. I assume it's a modded 5150, then? Have you played the KT88-loaded Fiddy-One-Fiddy?

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Actually funny thing. It's this thing they do at Eurotubes where two of the four choobs are KT88. Apparently this is okay, because a stock 5150 is biased so cold that even with the extra current draw from KT88s the rest of the power section can still take it.

Now the suspicious part of this is that it's the guy who sells the tubes who says it's okay, and some other people on the interwebs don't seem to think it's such a good idea.

Well I'm going to ask the guy to include whatever stock tubes there also was, just in case. But I bet, healthy or not, that it sounds balls out. :mexican:

Sweet drama bro: http://www.eurotubes.com/euro-kb.htm

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Yarr, personally, i never liked the idea of slapping the KT88s in there without also replacing the transformer(s).

The KT88s current draw is kind of insanely high, while the 6L6s draw is kind of oddly low. Granted, the amp will not be running the KTs at KT voltages(actually i don't know at all what plate voltages the 5150s run even) so they won't be pulling all of what they can, but even just the heaters pull a shitload of current.

For the size transformers in the 5150, i would probably be inclined to run it without the 6L6s in there, just a 2xKT88 amp. Then the impedance would probably be all out of whack though(i don't remember what the KTs like to run at, the last time i did any designy stuff with them was too long ago).

To me, in general , the 5150 is a map that just does what it does. In its stock form it sounds awesome and is extremely reliable. While the KT88s might give an interesting flavor to the power section, i personally would probably not run the Eurotubes mixed set, just because my nerdgut tells me that there is no way that it cannot be hurting the lifespan of the transformers.

And specifically, i think this because of just how much the KT88 requires to run. Even EL34s, which are pretty power/current hungry, are piddling compared to the KT88s.

On the upside, if the amp you are looking at is running a mixed set, it should also have individual bias adjustment modded in, right? That actually is a properly useful thing, even for running a quad of stock tubes.

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I did the bias mod on my 5150, it was stupid easy to do I like the difference with it. I still have the diagram somewhere should the 5150 you are getting does not have such a mod

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Christ, this map is brutal.

I'll miss the Splawn but I'll always have my Laney if I want to pull some rock and roll shit.

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I assume you made the trade or are making the trade at the moment?

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Trade was made.

I just pulled out the two KT88s and put in some Shuguang 6L6 the guy brought. This produced a typical 5150 sound that we've come to know, kind of brownish in comparison to the sound with the KT88s. Sounds like the block letter one my buddy in Vesication has. But fuck man, with the KT88s in there it is SLAM CITY. If this is wrong I don't wanna be right.

So much squealing feedback when I'm near the map though. I will probably have to invest the money I got in the deal in a noise suppressor.

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:huzzah:

Fuck it, the one thing that is a valid point in that Eurotubes thing, is that your amp is not the only one with KT88s in it. And i personally have not heard of a KT88 5150 exploding or anything yet. Admittedly very small sample sizes all around here though, would be the only additional caveat.

Now, this may also be simply because when they start to act up, folks are tossing 6L6s back in and flipping them, or it might be that indeed, the KT88 danger is somewhat overstated, at least at the voltages that the Peavey supplies. I really don't know. I have wanted to get my paws on a 5150 for quite a while to toy around with, but as it is, i have never spent any time inside one.

Anyhow, there are certainly more expensive amps out there to do this sort of experiment with. The Peavey is somewhat gloriously not-pricey in a comparative sense. And it may very well be a $600-ish gamble worth taking, particularly if the sound is one you are looking for. :idk:

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http://soundcloud.com/geoffhodsman/5150-slam-tone-test With the KT88s. A little sloppy, I was just banging it out quick before I leave. Two SM57s on my Splawn cabinet.

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So exceedingly scummy sounding. Terrible. :huzzah:

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That works. Thoroughly ugly top end, ugly mids, ugly low end. And it's still pretty clear despite its ugliness. You have a beastmap for beasttones.

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well done sir :isay:

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Thread needs moar pooptone.

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I actually worked out a tone this afternoon. Maybe a room mic demonstration is called for.

Edit: Hurr: http://soundcloud.com/geoffhodsman/5150room

There's a moment of clean stuff in there. :cop: I don't see why people complain about the amp not having a useable clean. It's right there.

Lead channel had volume on '2', rhythm had it on 3.5 ...

The amp is quite loud. But not like the Splawn, where the volume knob went from 'this amp is on' to 'you have been sterilized' ... lows are not as percussive as the Splawn was, they are more like a sloppy goop.

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So fucking aggressive sounding.

Yeah with the right touch of reverb or a little echo, those cleans would be absolutely serviceable.

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I love the sound of 5150s. As was the process with the AC30, it took me wayyyy too long to put it together that most of my favorite sounds were coming out of just one or two amp types.

The mids and broken up phase inverter of the AC30 cleanish sounds.

And the tight-ish-ness, chug level, and fizz, of the 5150.

If i had the dollars i would build a channelswitcher of the two, maybe a KT88 power section like a VHT.

Though, it would probably be cheaper just to buy the 5150 and build an A/B switch, honestly, the way that shit goes these days. :red:

As for the cleans of the 5150, there was definitely a pile of indie rock bands in the nineties that were using these for well-less-than-chug sounds, and i never ever noticed that they sounded terrible at it, or heard anyone complaining about it... Until i got to the internet. :idk: It is just a fucking amp. The clean channel sounds very close to what i start with with my SS crate for a pedal platform anyhow..

Though, i would indeed probably be inclined myself, to go for the II or the new combo, so i could have independent tone controls for the cleans. I like a bright thin stabby clean, and that makes a terrible choice for a truly high gain sound. I wouldn't be able to switch between them without adjusting the controls every time.

I still need to acquire one of these beasts though. I have gone all over the map of high gain pedals, and it is just too much fucking hassle to get what is really just an inferior approximation, of what the 5150 does all the time every time, without even trying. To me, it is very similar to the whole solid state emulation versus tube amps thing. If the sound you want, is that clipping of two 12AX7s in a tweed deluxe, then why the fuck are you trying so hard to get it out of a computer? There are few things simpler or cheaper than a tweed deluxe style amp.

In the same fashion, there are few things simpler or cheaper than a totally standard 5150. It just works.

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hmmm looky here this was just posted Uncle Ted uses 2 6550's dimed and uses guitar volume and tone to make it do what he wants

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