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Post HCAF Mythbusters! Dave Jerden on AIC's Dirt guitar tone.
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-dave-jerden/1030487-dirt-guitar-sound.html

Well, HCAF got it partly right...

Funny how I always thought the Bogner Ecstasty red channel does this tone, more-or-less, with a minimum of fuss, just turn up the mid knob. Go figure. :red:

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Post Re: HCAF Mythbusters! Dave Jerden on AIC's Dirt guitar tone.
I like how he just sort of off-handedly mentions at the end that the bigger problem that folks are probably running into with trying to reproduce massive sounds like that with multiple amps, is likely to be phase cancellation.

I read that as a sort of postscript: here is the gear-related minutia that you have requested, but, P.S. you guys are asking the wrong sort of questions.

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Post Re: HCAF Mythbusters! Dave Jerden on AIC's Dirt guitar tone.
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I like how he just sort of off-handedly mentions at the end that the bigger problem that folks are probably running into with trying to reproduce massive sounds like that with multiple amps, is likely to be phase cancellation.

I read that as a sort of postscript: here is the gear-related minutia that you have requested, but, P.S. you guys are asking the wrong sort of questions.


He's right, too. :dukes:

Also, the fact it's clearly a cobbled-together collection of random shit they had laying around. Here's an expensive boutique map that belongs to the studio, part of his live rig, some random old cab, and a DI box/practice amp from a decade prior. And a 57.

I am reminded of all the making of the Black Album stuff, where Bob Rock, Randy Staub, and James Hetfield state explicitly phase is key to getting those OTT larger-than-life multi-everything sounds. Actually, that that sound in particular was created by manipulating phase. They come out and say it. 'Course, the intarwebs wants to think they can just buy a magic amp, so that's what gets obsessed over.

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Post Re: HCAF Mythbusters! Dave Jerden on AIC's Dirt guitar tone.
Going on the frequencies he mentioned I'd say the Bogner Ecstasy will get you the tone, unless you want to 100% nail it.

I've never heard of using multiple amps for specific frequencies. Seems like a bunch of fucking around to me. Though it'd be sweet to get a Recto's top and bottom to soundwich a Marshall JCM.

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Post Re: HCAF Mythbusters! Dave Jerden on AIC's Dirt guitar tone.
Personal experience with the Ecstasy tells me that yeah, a moderate output humbucker and drop D (well, C#, but still) into the Ecstasy's red channel will pretty much get you there. It's not a hard tone to coax out of that amp.

Re: layering, that was I suppose the style at the time for these big rock records. See: Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. AIC weren't the only exponents of this by any means. The bass and drums were just as excessive.

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